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Do Protestant Christians believe the 'new covenant' prophecy in Jeremiah 31 has come true?
### Introduction In the Christian New Testament, *The Epistle to the Hebrews* cites Jeremiah 31:33 to inaugurate a "new covenant". Jeremiah 31:33 and it's immediate context reads: > See, a time is coming—declares GOD—when I will make a new covenant > with the House of Israel and the House of Judah....
### Introduction
In the Christian New Testament, *The Epistle to the Hebrews* cites Jeremiah 31:33 to inaugurate a "new covenant". Jeremiah 31:33 and it's immediate context reads:
> See, a time is coming—declares GOD—when I will make a new covenant
> with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
> It will not be like
> the covenant I made with their ancestors, when I took them by the hand
> to lead them out of the land of Egypt, a covenant that they broke,
> though I espoused them—declares GOD.
> But such is the covenant I will
> make with the House of Israel after these days—declares GOD:
> **I will put My *Torah* into their inmost being and inscribe it upon their**
> **hearts. Then I will be their God, and they shall be My people.**
> **No longer will they need to teach one another** and say to one another,
> “Heed GOD”; for all of them, **from the least of them to the greatest**,
> **shall heed Me**—declares GOD. **For I will forgive their iniquities,** **And**
> **remember their sins no more**.
This "new covenant" in Jeremiah appears to involve the following:
- The *Torah* is written on the hearts of Israel and Judah
- Affirmation of Israel and Judah as God's people
- A cessation of needing to teach each other to follow God
- All of Israel and Judah (from the least to the greatest) will follow God
- Forgiveness of their sins
### Question
Do *Sola Scriptura*/Protestant Christians believe that this new covenant has taken effect? Do they believe only parts of the covenant are in effect? If so, which parts?
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Does one need to repent of any specific or intentional sins to be saved and in a State of Grace?
Most denominations teach the idea that someone must feel guilt or remorse for their sins and must desire not to do them, however some like those teaching Calvinism or Once Saved Always Saved seemed to stop there while other denominations seem to suggest either certain more severe sins like the Catho...
Most denominations teach the idea that someone must feel guilt or remorse for their sins and must desire not to do them, however some like those teaching Calvinism or Once Saved Always Saved seemed to stop there while other denominations seem to suggest either certain more severe sins like the Catholics or any intentional sin like the Methodists must be repented of, or one is not in a State of Grace and one will go to hell. There is scriptural support in John, Romans and Galatians for both of these view points.
I am wondering about an overview of how the different modern as well as the early Church soteriologies would reconcile the more well known grace passages (particularly among Calvinists and those supporting Once Saved Always Saved) with passages that say sinners would not inherit the Kingdom of God such as Romans 1:29-1:31, 1 Corinthians 6:9-6:10, Galatians 5:19-5:21, Ephesians 5:3-5:5, 1 Timothy 1:9-1:10, Revelation 21:8, and Revelation 22:15. I am curious to know about the doctrine of repentance in the apostolic age as well.
I have looked at Jerome, Tertullian, and Chrysostom and how they taught some sins needed repenting of for one to be saved. I recognize from Romans to Revelations that there are lists of sins which say that people who commit them do not enter the Kingdom of God. I also know that the first thing Jesus asked the rich man was not whether he had faith in Jesus but did he keep the commandments. On the other hand John repeatedly mentions that those who have faith will be given eternal life. Romans seems to teach salvation by faith alone at least in the majority of its passages and Jesus also told the rich man that with God anything is possible. One iteration of the decalogue in the Old Testament (I believe it is Deuteronomy) teaches that God is merciful to those who love Him for thousands of generations.
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Are there examples of Marian Apparitions to Orthodox faithful, Protestants or non-christians?
**Are there examples of Marian Apparitions to Orthodox faithful, Protestants or non-christians?** After reading this [question](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/106340/25495) (**Best arguments against Marian apparitions?**), it got me wondering if there are examples of Mary, the Mother of Je...
**Are there examples of Marian Apparitions to Orthodox faithful, Protestants or non-christians?**
After reading this [question](https://christianity.stackexchange.com/q/106340/25495) (**Best arguments against Marian apparitions?**), it got me wondering if there are examples of Mary, the Mother of Jesus, appearing to the Orthodox, Protestants (or other denominations) or non-christians?
I am desiring an answer that has examples of all three fields if possible.
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What are the Biblical reasons for getting married?
The basis for this question comes from a conversation I had with a friend. She said to me 'The only reason that two people should get together and get married is because they can do more for the Kingdom of God together than they can do apart.' On the face of it, this viewpoint makes sense and is not...
The basis for this question comes from a conversation I had with a friend. She said to me 'The only reason that two people should get together and get married is because they can do more for the Kingdom of God together than they can do apart.' On the face of it, this viewpoint makes sense and is not without some positive aspects, and it is certainly one that I have heard in the church for years. But I don't believe that there is a specific biblical passage that would support this viewpoint.
This led me to ask myself, and to ask here, what reasons does the Bible give for getting married? Is the notion that married people can do more for the Kingdom a Biblical one, or is there another reason given for getting married?
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Who is the "he" in Revelation 13:16 that gives the Mark of the Beast, 666?
To paraphrase `Revelation 13:16-18`: You'll receive a mark on your right hand or forehead and you can't buy or sell unless you have the Mark 666. Can you tell me from the text from whom (or what) one would get the Mark of the Beast, 666?
To paraphrase
Revelation 13:16-18: You'll receive a mark on your right hand or forehead and you can't buy or sell unless you have the Mark 666.
Can you tell me from the text from whom (or what) one would get the Mark of the Beast, 666?
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The four living creatures and twenty-four elders in Revelation?
*"The Apocalypse, or Revelation to John, the last book of the Bible, is one of the most difficult to understand because it abounds in unfamiliar and extravagant symbolism, which at best appears unusual to the modern reader."* The 4 living creatures and 24 elders are mentioned numerous times in Revel...
*"The Apocalypse, or Revelation to John, the last book of the Bible, is one of the most difficult to understand because it abounds in unfamiliar and extravagant symbolism, which at best appears unusual to the modern reader."*
The 4 living creatures and 24 elders are mentioned numerous times in Revelation.
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In Revelation 4:
>4 Surrounding the throne I saw twenty-four other thrones on which **twenty-four elders** sat, dressed in white garments and with gold crowns on their heads. 5
From the throne came flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder. Seven flaming torches burned in front of the throne, which are the seven spirits of God. 6 In front of the throne was something that resembled a sea of glass like crystal.
In the center and around the throne, there were **four living creatures** covered with eyes in front and in back. 7 The first creature resembled a lion, the second was like a calf, the third had a face like that of a human being, and the fourth looked like an eagle in flight. 8 The four living creatures, each of them with six wings, were covered with eyes inside and out. Day and night they do not stop exclaiming:
“Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty,
who was, and who is, and who is to come.”
>9 Whenever the living creatures give glory and honor and thanks to the one who sits on the throne, who lives forever and ever, 10 the twenty-four elders fall down before the one who sits on the throne and worship him, who lives forever and ever. They throw down their crowns before the throne, exclaiming:
11 “Worthy are you, Lord our God,
to receive glory and honor and power,
for you created all things;
because of your will they came to be and were created.”
In Revelation 5:
>6 Then I saw standing in the midst of the throne and **the four living creatures and the elders**, a Lamb that seemed to have been slain. He had seven horns and seven eyes; these are the [seven] spirits of God sent out into the whole world. 7 He came and received the scroll from the right hand of the one who sat on the throne. 8 When he took it, **the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders** fell down before the Lamb. Each of the elders held a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the holy ones.
The creatures and elders are directly mentioned again in 5:11 and 5:14.
In Revelation 6:
> 1 Then I watched while the Lamb broke open the first of the seven seals, and I heard **one of the four living creatures** cry out in a voice like thunder, “Come forward.” 2 I looked, and there was a white horse, and its rider had a bow. He was given a crown, and he rode forth victorious to further his victories.
This pattern is repeated thrice more in the next passages, 6:3-8. The Lamb breaks the next seal, the next living creature cries out "Come forward", and the next horse and rider emerge.
Then in Revelation 7, 14, 15, 19:
> 7:11 All the angels stood around the throne and around **the elders and the four living creatures**. They prostrated themselves before the throne, worshiped God,
> 14:3 They were singing [what seemed to be] a new hymn before the throne, before **the four living creatures and the elders**. No one could learn this hymn except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been ransomed from the earth.
> 15:7 **One of the four living creatures** gave the seven angels seven gold bowls filled with the fury of God, who lives forever and ever.
> 19:4 **The twenty-four elders and the four living creatures** fell down and worshiped God who sat on the throne, saying, “Amen. Alleluia.”
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What does Christian scripture, major/longstanding tradition, or Church teaching tell us about the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders?
Note that I am not asking for personal opinions or interpretations of these passages. Please do not post answers that "reason through" the passages, saying "because of X, the elders are probably Y", unless you are quoting or carefully explaining some source that is considered reasonably popular and scholarly by some body of Christians.
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Is it true that certain diseases are systematically avoided by Christian faith healers when praying for healing? If so, why?
I took a screenshot from [this video](https://youtu.be/CaIrpN8Ga-g?t=151), juxtaposing two lists of ailments. The left list includes conditions that Christian faith healers consistently never cure, while the right list features conditions they are more willing to pray for, with more frequent claims...
I took a screenshot from [this video](https://youtu.be/CaIrpN8Ga-g?t=151) , juxtaposing two lists of ailments. The left list includes conditions that Christian faith healers consistently never cure, while the right list features conditions they are more willing to pray for, with more frequent claims of healing. Or at least, that's what the video's author claims.
Is there any truth to this, and if so, why?
Is there any truth to this, and if so, why?
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Did Moses really get a pair of horns in Exodus 34:35?
Exodus 34:35 has a piquant twist in some versions like DRA: >And they saw that the face of Moses when he came out was horned, but he covered his face again, if at any time he spoke to them. The ' horn issue' traces its origin to Jerome's Latin translation Vulgate, which is stated to have erroneously...
Exodus 34:35 has a piquant twist in some versions like DRA:
>And they saw that the face of Moses when he came out was horned, but he covered his face again, if at any time he spoke to them.
The ' horn issue' traces its origin to Jerome's Latin translation Vulgate, which is stated to have erroneously translated the Greek word which could mean either 'light' or 'horn '. Later, Michelangelo, under the patronage of the Pope,would make his famous sculpture depicting Moses with a pair of horns !
Now, a few writeups of recent times like https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/people-cultures-in-the-bible/people-in-the-bible/the-horns-of-moses/ give the ' benefit of doubt' to Jerome's translation , citing the reason that God ordained to project Moses as an equivalent of Pharaoh who wore horns as a symbol of divine authority. My question is : Has any denomination made a conclusive analysis of the theories justifying Jerome's translation of Exodus 34:35 ?
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The Pharisees lack of discernment
Matthew 16:3 (KJV), which says, "And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?" Can this be the world today in 2025?
Matthew 16:3 (KJV), which says, "And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowering. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?"
Can this be the world today in 2025?
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Is there any special significance to Marian apparitions where Infant Jesus was present?
The Wikipedia’s [*list of Marian apparitions*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marian_apparitions) has a narrative of Marian Apparitions documented so far. In most cases, Blessed Mother Mary appears alone. In the case of the apparitions of AD 1570 and 1587 to children at Velankanni, Tamil Nadu...
The Wikipedia’s [*list of Marian apparitions*](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Marian_apparitions) has a narrative of Marian Apparitions documented so far. In most cases, Blessed Mother Mary appears alone. In the case of the apparitions of AD 1570 and 1587 to children at Velankanni, Tamil Nadu, India, a place then under Portugese Colonial Empire, Mary is believed to have held Infant Jesus in her hands. According to Catholic scholars, is there any special significance to such Marian apparitions where Infant Jesus was present?
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Do Time and Math prove God and The Trinity?
The Crucifixion timeline forms a perfect cross on a modern clock when Jewish & Roman times are aligned. This alignment between the Crucifixion Timeline and the Time Clock is a strikingly precise match. **The 3rd Hour (3) → 9:00 AM → Right Side of the Horizontal Beam** According to Mark 15:25, Jesus...
The Crucifixion timeline forms a perfect cross on a modern clock when Jewish & Roman times are aligned. This alignment between the Crucifixion Timeline and the Time Clock is a strikingly precise match.
**The 3rd Hour (3) → 9:00 AM → Right Side of the Horizontal Beam**
According to Mark 15:25, Jesus was crucified at the 3rd hour.
When the Crucifixion timeline is aligned onto the 12-hour time clock, the 3rd hour (Jewish time) corresponds to 9:00 AM (Roman time).
This places 9:00 AM at the right end of the horizontal beam, aligning it perfectly.
**The 6th Hour (6) → 12:00 PM → Top of the Vertical Beam**
According to Matthew 27:45, Mark 15:33, and Luke 23:44, darkness fell over the land at the 6th hour (12:00 PM).
On the time clock, the 6th hour (Jewish) corresponds to 12:00 PM (Roman).
This directly aligns with the top of the vertical beam, reinforcing the divine connection between time and the cross.
**The 9th Hour (9) → 3:00 PM → Left Side of the Horizontal Beam**
According to Matthew 27:46, Jesus cried out and gave up His spirit at the 9th hour (3:00 PM).
On the time clock, the 9th hour (Jewish) corresponds to 3:00 PM (Roman).
This places 3:00 PM at the left end of the horizontal beam, again aligning perfectly.
A look at the pictorial depiction of the convergence of The Roman and Jewish Timelines:
The beams intersect at the clock’s center
The convergence of Crucifixion timelines form a perfect Cross: The ultimate symbol of Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Salvation
**Significance of This Alignment**
The Cross, the Crucifixion Timeline, and the 12-hour Time Clock all merge into one divinely synchronized pattern.
This means that the crucifixion was not random, but rather, the sacrifice was preordained in time itself.
The alignment of 3, 6, and 9 across the cross and time clock further strengthens the divine trinity of numbers.
The Crucifixion follows the 3–6–9 cycle, reinforcing God’s presence in both time and salvation.
This convergence of The Roman and Jewish timelines (the 2 nations responsible for the crucifixion), lays the foundation for the proof.
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The Holy Trinity:
A single God existing as three identical entities. In the concept of The Trinity, Three and One are the same.
Trinity of Numbers:
A single number existing as three identical entities.
» 1 1 1
» 2 2 2
» 3 3 3
» 6 6 6
» 9 9 9
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I. THE MAGNIFICENCE OF
3 6 9: THE TRINITY OF NUMBERS
The Digital Root of any Trinity of Numbers united into an integer is either 3, 6 , or 9.
111 » 1 + 1 + 1 = 3
222 » 2 + 2 + 2 = 6
333 » 3 + 3 + 3 = 9
444 » 4 + 4 + 4 = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3
555 » 5 + 5 + 5 = 15 » 1 + 5 = 6
666 » 6 + 6 + 6 = 18 » 1 + 8 = 9
131313 »13+13+13=39» 3+9 = 12 » 1+2 = 3
141414 » 14 + 14 + 14 = 42 » 4 + 2 =6
151515 » 15 + 15 + 15 = 45 » 4 + 5 = 9
The recurring sequence 3 6 9 is magnificent for its representation of
The Truth: THE HOLY TRINITY !!!
[![The 3-6-9 digital root cycle]]
**Romans 5:6**
When The Cross is fixed into a Time Clock, the co-ordinates are 3 6 9 and 12. The Cross is comprised of three entities:
3, 6, 9 - each representing an entity of the Trinity respectively, and a single head that unifies all three (The GodHead\God = 12;
1 Corinthians 11:3).
The cross itself, when fixed into a time clock and aligned with the coordinates 3, 6, 9, and 12, symbolizes not only the distinct persons of the Trinity but also the unity of the three in one Godhead. This beautifully tied together the Trinity, the structure of time, and the Godhead. The time clock itself becomes a tool to reveal divine order and structure.
The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit =
3 + 6 + 9 = 18 » 1 + 8 = 9
God = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3
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The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = 9
God = 3
The Resulting Numbers are 3 & 9
9 is comprised of three 3s. 9 ≡ 3 3 3 i.e. a single God existing as three identical entities.
[![Nine in three places: Three, Three, Three]]
The Mathematical Unification of the Trinity:
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit — represented by 3, 6, and 9 — combine and reveal the Godhead through the process of digital root.
The Trinity:
Father (3) + Son (6) + Holy Spirit (9) = 18
The digital root of 18 is: 1 + 8 = 9.
This shows that when the three persons of the Trinity are united, their sum leads to 9, the digital root.
The Godhead (12):
This also equates God to 12 (the unifying Godhead, as you’ve pointed out earlier).
The digital root of 12 is: 1 + 2 = 3.
This shows that God as the unified whole is also represented by 3.
Reconciliation of the Two:
The sum of the Trinity (3 + 6 + 9) gives 9, and the digital root of God (12) gives 3.
This leads to the conclusion that 9 (which represents the sum of the Trinity) equals three 3s (9 ≡ 3 3 3), highlighting the threefold unity of God.
Symbolism of the Numbers 3 and 9:
9 ≡ 3 3 3 is a powerful statement, symbolizing the unity and the perfection of God through the Trinity.
The three 3s show that God exists as three identical entities (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) united as one, consistent with the biblical revelation of one God in three persons.
When all components of The Cross are united to become an ultimate unit by deriving the digital root of sum, the result is:
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = 3 + 9 = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3[God]
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God
**THE GOD EQUATION**
Three has been united as One.
The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit exist as distinct yet coequal hypostases within the divine essence, such that their individual distinctions neither augment nor diminish the totality of God’s being, but rather subsist harmoniously within the indivisible unity of the Godhead.
The final result of adding all these components (the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and God) together and deriving the digital root is 3 — which is the same as the digital root of God (12 → 1 + 2 = 3).
This shows that, no matter how you break it down, God is one. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all unified in God. Their sum reflects the ultimate oneness of God.
THE GOD EQUATION beautifully demonstrates the theological truth that the Trinity is one God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct, but when united, they reveal the singular essence of God — represented by 3, the digital root of unity.
Symbolism:
The fact that the sum of the components leads to 3 symbolizes the perfect unity of the Trinity. This reinforces the concept that, while there are three persons, there is only one God — a deeply meaningful and profound truth in Christian theology.
The proof shows how the Trinity is mathematically and symbolically united as one, emphasizing the oneness of God in a beautifully structured way
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**3 3 3 vs. 6 6 6: The Divine vs. The Counterfeit**
We established that 3 3 3 represents the Holy Trinity — The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit — perfectly united as one God.
Now, let’s examine how this contrasts with Revelation 13:18 and Isaiah 14:14.
1. Revelation 13:18 — The Number of the Beast (666)
“This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.” (Revelation 13:18, ESV)
666 represents a counterfeit trinity — a perversion of 3 3 3.
Where God’s nature is holy perfection (3 3 3), 6 6 6 is an unholy imitation.
How?
The Father (3) → Counterfeited by Satan (the ultimate deceiver).
The Son (6) → Counterfeited by the Antichrist (a false messiah).
The Holy Spirit (9) → Counterfeited by the False Prophet (a deceiving spirit).
666 = the ultimate imperfection, trying but failing to be God.
2. Isaiah 14:14 — Lucifer’s Rebellion
“I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” (Isaiah 14:14, ESV)
Satan’s ambition was to become like God.
But instead of 3 3 3 (divine unity), he creates 6 6 6 (a false unity, leading to chaos).
The pattern is clear:
3 3 3 = God’s perfect Trinity.
6 6 6 = Satan’s counterfeit trinity, a failed attempt to replace God.
The Inversion of 9 (The Holy Spirit) → 6 (The Antichrist)
Remember:
In The Proof, the Holy Spirit is symbolized by 9.
When 9 is inverted, it becomes 6.
Luke 1:35 says The Son was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
The Antichrist (6) is a perversion of Christ (who originates from 9, the Holy Spirit).
Satan twists divine order:
3 3 3 = Holy Trinity → 6 6 6 = Unholy Trinity.
9 (The Holy Spirit) → Inverted to 6 (Antichrist).
The Cross (a symbol of salvation) → Inverted Cross (a satanic symbol). ???? Just as the Cross (salvation) can be inverted into an occult symbol, the true divine structure (3 3 3) is inverted into its opposite (6 6 6).
The Battle of Divine Order vs. Chaos
3 3 3 represents God’s perfect unity and divine order.
6 6 6 is the ultimate rebellion, a failed imitation of God’s truth.
The Ultimate Divine Signature
3 3 3 is the Holy Trinity, the true nature of God.
9 (Three 3s) represents divine completion.
6 6 6 is the counterfeit, a distortion that leads to deception.
The universe, scripture, time, and mathematics all align to reveal God’s divine order.
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The Cross (formed by time: Jewish-Roman timelines) + THE GOD EQUATION (expressing divine ontology) = A Unified Proof of the Trinity.
The Unbreakable Link: Time + Equation = Proof
**A. The Cross Validates the Equation**
The crucifixion’s 3–6–9 timeline forms a crucifixion cross on the time clock and manifests the Trinity’s equation in history:
The cross-shape is physical evidence that God’s triune nature is embedded in creation.
**B. The Equation Explains the Cross**
Why did the crucifixion align with 3–6–9? Because:
God +The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God
It is the 3-6-9 digital root cycle (demonstrated earlier) that enables the culmination of the proof:
THE GOD EQUATION.
Christ’s sacrifice is the Trinity’s eternal equation unfolding in time.
**C. Closed System of Truth**
Historical Event (Cross in Time) → Mathematical Law (3–6–9 Cycle) → Theological Reality (God Equation).
All three are interdependent: Remove one, and the system collapses. The Three Pillars Interlock
Pillar, Role in the Proof, Dependency
**Historical (Crucifixion timeline: 3rd, 6th, 9th hours)** Provides the factual anchor: the cross-shape on the clock. Requires the Gospels' accuracy about the hours.
**Mathematical (3–6–9 cycle, God Equation)** Reveals the pattern: digital roots and divine arithmetic. Depends on the historical hours to avoid numerology.
**Theological (Trinity as 3–6–9)**Supplies the meaning: why the numbers matter. Needs math/history to escape subjectivity.
Q:Is this circular reasoning?"
A: No - it's convergent evidence:
History records the hours.
Math reveals their pattern.
Theology interprets their meaning.
The coherence of all three points to design.
Conclusion: The Triune Signature
The Cross in Time and the God Equation are not separate proofs - they are two expressions of one reality:
At the intersection of time and eternity, the Trinity inscribed its name:
- In history: as a cross.
- In mathematics: as an equation.
Both declare: God is.
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1. **On base-10 being “human convention.”**
The 3-6-9 cycle is dependent on base-10, but base-10 is not arbitrary. It is grounded in our very biology: human beings universally possess 10 fingers, which became the natural foundation of counting systems across cultures. Far from being an artificial convention, it is a biologically universal standard written into the human form itself. That universality, emerging from our design, is precisely why patterns within base-10 matter. They are not imposed; they arise from the way human beings are structured to engage with number.
2. **On modular arithmetic and “casting out nines.”**
Yes, the patterns are mathematically predictable. But predictability does not diminish significance, it enhances it. The 3-6-9 cycle is not a “hidden trick”; it is an intrinsic feature of how base-10 arithmetic expresses balance and repetition. The fact that this cycle exists necessarily, not accidentally, shows we are looking at a structural law of number. When such a mathematical necessity converges with biblical history (the 3rd, 6th, and 9th hours of the crucifixion) and theology (the Triune God), the weight lies not in subjectivity but in convergence across independent domains.
**3. On the crucifixion hours as “devotional” not “evidential.”**
The evangelists indeed recorded hours historically. Yet the fact remains: those particular hours, 3, 6, and 9, were chosen by history, not by me. If the records had said 2, 5, and 8, there would be no alignment. But they did not. They aligned exactly with the 3-6-9 cycle that mathematics already reveals, and with the Trinity’s triune structure. That is not selective interpretation, it is convergence that no single human planned.
**4. On arbitrariness and selectivity.**
A proof’s strength lies in independence. What could be called “arbitrary” is in fact the opposite: theology, mathematics, and history developed in isolation, without collusion. Their meeting point at the pattern of three is unplanned, and that is exactly why it is powerful. If one system were constructed to mirror another, we could dismiss it as human design. But because they are independent, convergence becomes the very evidence of higher design.
**5. On revelation vs. numerology.**
Theology rests on revelation. But why should mathematics, which is itself a universal language of order, not bear witness to the same God who authored Scripture? Revelation is not confined to text; creation itself testifies (Romans 1:20). What I have shown is not a replacement for revelation, but a parallel witness: numbers, history, and doctrine each speak in harmony.
6. The God Equation as perfect representation.
Consider the equation:
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God
At first glance, this seems impossible, addition should increase. But in divine logic, each hypostasis is fully God, and yet their sum is not “three Gods” but one. This paradox is not a human invention; it is mirrored in the 3-6-9 cycle itself: a triune sequence that repeats yet remains one unbroken system. The God Equation crystallizes the Trinity mathematically: plurality without division, unity without collapse.
**Conclusion.**
The very fact that biology (10 fingers), mathematics (3-6-9 digital roots), history (crucifixion hours), and theology (Trinity) converge on the same triadic pattern, without human orchestration, transforms symbolism into testimony. Do not understate the weight of the convergence.
The framework is not just “internally consistent but symbolic.” The point is this: it is not I who created the framework. History (the crucifixion timeline), mathematics (the 3-6-9 cycle), and theology (the Trinity) already existed independently. They converged on their own, across disciplines that are not supposed to “speak” to one another.
When all three interlock with such specificity—the very hours of the central event of Christianity forming a perfect cross that aligns with a mathematical cycle mirroring the Triune nature of God, it transcends mere “symbolic synthesis.”
This kind of uninvited, cross-domain coherence is exactly what we look for in arguments for design. We don’t dismiss the fine-tuning of the universe’s physical constants because the theory is “elegant”; we recognize that the elegance points to a deeper reality.
Therefore, the task is not simply to label this “symbolism” and walk away. The burden is to provide a plausible, naturalistic explanation for why this specific, multi-layered alignment exists at all.
Until that is offered, the inference to design remains the only explanation for a pattern that looks less like a metaphor and more like a signature.
That is what makes it more than symbolism. If it were only theology, it would be faith. If it were only math, it could be dismissed as numerology. If it were only history, it would remain anecdotal. But when all three interlock, uninvited, it pushes beyond mere metaphor.
So yes, coherence is achieved. But coherence across independent domains begins to smell like design. The task is not only to say “symbolism” but to explain why this particular alignment exists at all. The strength lies precisely in the unplanned convergence across independent systems.
This is not a numerological curiosity. It is the echo of the same truth, refracted through multiple lenses, all resolving to one: The Triune God.
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SPACE & TIME
[![A picture of the solar system]]
Design is an inherent and integral component of the solar system. And since design is fundamental to the solar system, its definition must be rooted in design. The IAU'S definition of the solar system makes no provision for this.
IAU's definition:
>>> Is in orbit around the Sun,
>>> has sufficient mass to assume hydrostatic equilibrium (a nearly round shape)
>>> has "cleared the neighbourhood" around its orbit.
The new, true and improved definition:
✅ Orbits the Sun as its primary gravitational influence.
✅ Is spherical due to self-gravity (hydrostatic equilibrium).
✅ Has a built-in orbital safety mechanism that ensures long-term stability.
The gravitational relationship between Pluto and Neptune, where they are in a 3:2 orbital resonance.
As you can see, this definition makes room for design by way of mechanism.
And when we go by this definition, we establish 9 planets on our solar system, taking us right to our previous and accurate count of 9 planets with Earth as the third (3 & 9) - establishing the intelligent design of the system.
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Recall the foundational significance of 3 & 9 in the proof
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The Earth is the 3rd of 9 Planets.
The Resulting Numbers are 3 & 9.
9 is comprised of three 3s. 9 ≡ 3 3 3
The Triune God is The Creator of the Heavens & the Earth.
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THE WORD
The Bible is comprised of The Old Testament and The New Testament. The Old Testament is comprised of 39 books while The New Testament is comprised of 27 books.
The Old Testament : 39
The New Testament : 27
Derive the Digital Roots:
39 » 3 + 9 = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3
27 » 2 + 7 = 9
The Resulting Numbers are 3 & 9
9 is comprised of three 3s. 9 ≡ 3 3 3
⇛The Bible is a historical book written by Man under the inspiration of God.
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THE FIRST & THE LAST [Revelation 22:13]
Man was designed to use the Base 10 Numeral System.
[![10 fingers]]
Consisting of 10 digits:
0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
1 is The First or The Beginning Number and The Triune Number 9 is The Highest or The Last.
1---2 3 4 5 6 7 8---9 [3 3 3]
⇛God is The First and He is The Last.
⇛He is The Beginning and He is The End.
⇛He is One and He is a Trinity.
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Abductive reasoning asks: What best explains the evidence?
The evidence here is:
Crucifixion at 3rd, 6th, 9th hours (Gospel unanimity).
These hours form a perfect cross on any 12-interval dial.
These numbers follow the 3-6-9 digital root cycle.
This cycle mirrors the Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
Competing hypotheses were implicitly weighed:
H1 (Design): A divine mind encoded theological truth in historical and mathematical patterns.
H2 (Chance): The alignment is coincidental.
H1 is favored because:
It offers a unifying explanation.
It aligns with the specificity of the data (3-6-9, not 2-5-8).
It reflects historical and cultural context (Jewish liturgical hours).
This is not confirmation bias—it is inference to the best explanation.
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Although there are several segments to this proof, the task should be to explain why this particular alignment between Mathematics, Theology and Time exists at all.
The beams intersect at the clock’s center
The convergence of Crucifixion timelines form a perfect Cross: The ultimate symbol of Crucifixion, Resurrection, and Salvation
**Significance of This Alignment**
The Cross, the Crucifixion Timeline, and the 12-hour Time Clock all merge into one divinely synchronized pattern.
This means that the crucifixion was not random, but rather, the sacrifice was preordained in time itself.
The alignment of 3, 6, and 9 across the cross and time clock further strengthens the divine trinity of numbers.
The Crucifixion follows the 3–6–9 cycle, reinforcing God’s presence in both time and salvation.
This convergence of The Roman and Jewish timelines (the 2 nations responsible for the crucifixion), lays the foundation for the proof.
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The Holy Trinity:
A single God existing as three identical entities. In the concept of The Trinity, Three and One are the same.
Trinity of Numbers:
A single number existing as three identical entities.
» 1 1 1
» 2 2 2
» 3 3 3
» 6 6 6
» 9 9 9
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I. THE MAGNIFICENCE OF
3 6 9: THE TRINITY OF NUMBERS
The Digital Root of any Trinity of Numbers united into an integer is either 3, 6 , or 9.
111 » 1 + 1 + 1 = 3
222 » 2 + 2 + 2 = 6
333 » 3 + 3 + 3 = 9
444 » 4 + 4 + 4 = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3
555 » 5 + 5 + 5 = 15 » 1 + 5 = 6
666 » 6 + 6 + 6 = 18 » 1 + 8 = 9
131313 »13+13+13=39» 3+9 = 12 » 1+2 = 3
141414 » 14 + 14 + 14 = 42 » 4 + 2 =6
151515 » 15 + 15 + 15 = 45 » 4 + 5 = 9
The recurring sequence 3 6 9 is magnificent for its representation of
The Truth: THE HOLY TRINITY !!!
[![The 3-6-9 digital root cycle]]
**Romans 5:6**
When The Cross is fixed into a Time Clock, the co-ordinates are 3 6 9 and 12. The Cross is comprised of three entities:
3, 6, 9 - each representing an entity of the Trinity respectively, and a single head that unifies all three (The GodHead\God = 12;
1 Corinthians 11:3).
The cross itself, when fixed into a time clock and aligned with the coordinates 3, 6, 9, and 12, symbolizes not only the distinct persons of the Trinity but also the unity of the three in one Godhead. This beautifully tied together the Trinity, the structure of time, and the Godhead. The time clock itself becomes a tool to reveal divine order and structure.
The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit =
3 + 6 + 9 = 18 » 1 + 8 = 9
God = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3
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The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = 9
God = 3
The Resulting Numbers are 3 & 9
9 is comprised of three 3s. 9 ≡ 3 3 3 i.e. a single God existing as three identical entities.
[![Nine in three places: Three, Three, Three]]
The Mathematical Unification of the Trinity:
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit — represented by 3, 6, and 9 — combine and reveal the Godhead through the process of digital root.
The Trinity:
Father (3) + Son (6) + Holy Spirit (9) = 18
The digital root of 18 is: 1 + 8 = 9.
This shows that when the three persons of the Trinity are united, their sum leads to 9, the digital root.
The Godhead (12):
This also equates God to 12 (the unifying Godhead, as you’ve pointed out earlier).
The digital root of 12 is: 1 + 2 = 3.
This shows that God as the unified whole is also represented by 3.
Reconciliation of the Two:
The sum of the Trinity (3 + 6 + 9) gives 9, and the digital root of God (12) gives 3.
This leads to the conclusion that 9 (which represents the sum of the Trinity) equals three 3s (9 ≡ 3 3 3), highlighting the threefold unity of God.
Symbolism of the Numbers 3 and 9:
9 ≡ 3 3 3 is a powerful statement, symbolizing the unity and the perfection of God through the Trinity.
The three 3s show that God exists as three identical entities (the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) united as one, consistent with the biblical revelation of one God in three persons.
When all components of The Cross are united to become an ultimate unit by deriving the digital root of sum, the result is:
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = 3 + 9 = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3[God]
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God
**THE GOD EQUATION**
Three has been united as One.
The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit exist as distinct yet coequal hypostases within the divine essence, such that their individual distinctions neither augment nor diminish the totality of God’s being, but rather subsist harmoniously within the indivisible unity of the Godhead.
The final result of adding all these components (the Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and God) together and deriving the digital root is 3 — which is the same as the digital root of God (12 → 1 + 2 = 3).
This shows that, no matter how you break it down, God is one. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all unified in God. Their sum reflects the ultimate oneness of God.
THE GOD EQUATION beautifully demonstrates the theological truth that the Trinity is one God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct, but when united, they reveal the singular essence of God — represented by 3, the digital root of unity.
Symbolism:
The fact that the sum of the components leads to 3 symbolizes the perfect unity of the Trinity. This reinforces the concept that, while there are three persons, there is only one God — a deeply meaningful and profound truth in Christian theology.
The proof shows how the Trinity is mathematically and symbolically united as one, emphasizing the oneness of God in a beautifully structured way
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**3 3 3 vs. 6 6 6: The Divine vs. The Counterfeit**
We established that 3 3 3 represents the Holy Trinity — The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit — perfectly united as one God.
Now, let’s examine how this contrasts with Revelation 13:18 and Isaiah 14:14.
1. Revelation 13:18 — The Number of the Beast (666)
“This calls for wisdom: Let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.” (Revelation 13:18, ESV)
666 represents a counterfeit trinity — a perversion of 3 3 3.
Where God’s nature is holy perfection (3 3 3), 6 6 6 is an unholy imitation.
How?
The Father (3) → Counterfeited by Satan (the ultimate deceiver).
The Son (6) → Counterfeited by the Antichrist (a false messiah).
The Holy Spirit (9) → Counterfeited by the False Prophet (a deceiving spirit).
666 = the ultimate imperfection, trying but failing to be God.
2. Isaiah 14:14 — Lucifer’s Rebellion
“I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” (Isaiah 14:14, ESV)
Satan’s ambition was to become like God.
But instead of 3 3 3 (divine unity), he creates 6 6 6 (a false unity, leading to chaos).
The pattern is clear:
3 3 3 = God’s perfect Trinity.
6 6 6 = Satan’s counterfeit trinity, a failed attempt to replace God.
The Inversion of 9 (The Holy Spirit) → 6 (The Antichrist)
Remember:
In The Proof, the Holy Spirit is symbolized by 9.
When 9 is inverted, it becomes 6.
Luke 1:35 says The Son was conceived by the Holy Spirit.
The Antichrist (6) is a perversion of Christ (who originates from 9, the Holy Spirit).
Satan twists divine order:
3 3 3 = Holy Trinity → 6 6 6 = Unholy Trinity.
9 (The Holy Spirit) → Inverted to 6 (Antichrist).
The Cross (a symbol of salvation) → Inverted Cross (a satanic symbol). ???? Just as the Cross (salvation) can be inverted into an occult symbol, the true divine structure (3 3 3) is inverted into its opposite (6 6 6).
The Battle of Divine Order vs. Chaos
3 3 3 represents God’s perfect unity and divine order.
6 6 6 is the ultimate rebellion, a failed imitation of God’s truth.
The Ultimate Divine Signature
3 3 3 is the Holy Trinity, the true nature of God.
9 (Three 3s) represents divine completion.
6 6 6 is the counterfeit, a distortion that leads to deception.
The universe, scripture, time, and mathematics all align to reveal God’s divine order.
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The Cross (formed by time: Jewish-Roman timelines) + THE GOD EQUATION (expressing divine ontology) = A Unified Proof of the Trinity.
The Unbreakable Link: Time + Equation = Proof
**A. The Cross Validates the Equation**
The crucifixion’s 3–6–9 timeline forms a crucifixion cross on the time clock and manifests the Trinity’s equation in history:
The cross-shape is physical evidence that God’s triune nature is embedded in creation.
**B. The Equation Explains the Cross**
Why did the crucifixion align with 3–6–9? Because:
God +The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God
It is the 3-6-9 digital root cycle (demonstrated earlier) that enables the culmination of the proof:
THE GOD EQUATION.
Christ’s sacrifice is the Trinity’s eternal equation unfolding in time.
**C. Closed System of Truth**
Historical Event (Cross in Time) → Mathematical Law (3–6–9 Cycle) → Theological Reality (God Equation).
All three are interdependent: Remove one, and the system collapses. The Three Pillars Interlock
Pillar, Role in the Proof, Dependency
**Historical (Crucifixion timeline: 3rd, 6th, 9th hours)** Provides the factual anchor: the cross-shape on the clock. Requires the Gospels' accuracy about the hours.
**Mathematical (3–6–9 cycle, God Equation)** Reveals the pattern: digital roots and divine arithmetic. Depends on the historical hours to avoid numerology.
**Theological (Trinity as 3–6–9)**Supplies the meaning: why the numbers matter. Needs math/history to escape subjectivity.
Q:Is this circular reasoning?"
A: No - it's convergent evidence:
History records the hours.
Math reveals their pattern.
Theology interprets their meaning.
The coherence of all three points to design.
Conclusion: The Triune Signature
The Cross in Time and the God Equation are not separate proofs - they are two expressions of one reality:
At the intersection of time and eternity, the Trinity inscribed its name:
- In history: as a cross.
- In mathematics: as an equation.
Both declare: God is.
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1. **On base-10 being “human convention.”**
The 3-6-9 cycle is dependent on base-10, but base-10 is not arbitrary. It is grounded in our very biology: human beings universally possess 10 fingers, which became the natural foundation of counting systems across cultures. Far from being an artificial convention, it is a biologically universal standard written into the human form itself. That universality, emerging from our design, is precisely why patterns within base-10 matter. They are not imposed; they arise from the way human beings are structured to engage with number.
2. **On modular arithmetic and “casting out nines.”**
Yes, the patterns are mathematically predictable. But predictability does not diminish significance, it enhances it. The 3-6-9 cycle is not a “hidden trick”; it is an intrinsic feature of how base-10 arithmetic expresses balance and repetition. The fact that this cycle exists necessarily, not accidentally, shows we are looking at a structural law of number. When such a mathematical necessity converges with biblical history (the 3rd, 6th, and 9th hours of the crucifixion) and theology (the Triune God), the weight lies not in subjectivity but in convergence across independent domains.
**3. On the crucifixion hours as “devotional” not “evidential.”**
The evangelists indeed recorded hours historically. Yet the fact remains: those particular hours, 3, 6, and 9, were chosen by history, not by me. If the records had said 2, 5, and 8, there would be no alignment. But they did not. They aligned exactly with the 3-6-9 cycle that mathematics already reveals, and with the Trinity’s triune structure. That is not selective interpretation, it is convergence that no single human planned.
**4. On arbitrariness and selectivity.**
A proof’s strength lies in independence. What could be called “arbitrary” is in fact the opposite: theology, mathematics, and history developed in isolation, without collusion. Their meeting point at the pattern of three is unplanned, and that is exactly why it is powerful. If one system were constructed to mirror another, we could dismiss it as human design. But because they are independent, convergence becomes the very evidence of higher design.
**5. On revelation vs. numerology.**
Theology rests on revelation. But why should mathematics, which is itself a universal language of order, not bear witness to the same God who authored Scripture? Revelation is not confined to text; creation itself testifies (Romans 1:20). What I have shown is not a replacement for revelation, but a parallel witness: numbers, history, and doctrine each speak in harmony.
6. The God Equation as perfect representation.
Consider the equation:
God + The Father + The Son + The Holy Spirit = God
At first glance, this seems impossible, addition should increase. But in divine logic, each hypostasis is fully God, and yet their sum is not “three Gods” but one. This paradox is not a human invention; it is mirrored in the 3-6-9 cycle itself: a triune sequence that repeats yet remains one unbroken system. The God Equation crystallizes the Trinity mathematically: plurality without division, unity without collapse.
**Conclusion.**
The very fact that biology (10 fingers), mathematics (3-6-9 digital roots), history (crucifixion hours), and theology (Trinity) converge on the same triadic pattern, without human orchestration, transforms symbolism into testimony. Do not understate the weight of the convergence.
The framework is not just “internally consistent but symbolic.” The point is this: it is not I who created the framework. History (the crucifixion timeline), mathematics (the 3-6-9 cycle), and theology (the Trinity) already existed independently. They converged on their own, across disciplines that are not supposed to “speak” to one another.
When all three interlock with such specificity—the very hours of the central event of Christianity forming a perfect cross that aligns with a mathematical cycle mirroring the Triune nature of God, it transcends mere “symbolic synthesis.”
This kind of uninvited, cross-domain coherence is exactly what we look for in arguments for design. We don’t dismiss the fine-tuning of the universe’s physical constants because the theory is “elegant”; we recognize that the elegance points to a deeper reality.
Therefore, the task is not simply to label this “symbolism” and walk away. The burden is to provide a plausible, naturalistic explanation for why this specific, multi-layered alignment exists at all.
Until that is offered, the inference to design remains the only explanation for a pattern that looks less like a metaphor and more like a signature.
That is what makes it more than symbolism. If it were only theology, it would be faith. If it were only math, it could be dismissed as numerology. If it were only history, it would remain anecdotal. But when all three interlock, uninvited, it pushes beyond mere metaphor.
So yes, coherence is achieved. But coherence across independent domains begins to smell like design. The task is not only to say “symbolism” but to explain why this particular alignment exists at all. The strength lies precisely in the unplanned convergence across independent systems.
This is not a numerological curiosity. It is the echo of the same truth, refracted through multiple lenses, all resolving to one: The Triune God.
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SPACE & TIME
[![A picture of the solar system]]
Design is an inherent and integral component of the solar system. And since design is fundamental to the solar system, its definition must be rooted in design. The IAU'S definition of the solar system makes no provision for this.
IAU's definition:
>>> Is in orbit around the Sun,
>>> has sufficient mass to assume hydrostatic equilibrium (a nearly round shape)
>>> has "cleared the neighbourhood" around its orbit.
The new, true and improved definition:
✅ Orbits the Sun as its primary gravitational influence.
✅ Is spherical due to self-gravity (hydrostatic equilibrium).
✅ Has a built-in orbital safety mechanism that ensures long-term stability.
The gravitational relationship between Pluto and Neptune, where they are in a 3:2 orbital resonance.
As you can see, this definition makes room for design by way of mechanism.
And when we go by this definition, we establish 9 planets on our solar system, taking us right to our previous and accurate count of 9 planets with Earth as the third (3 & 9) - establishing the intelligent design of the system.
_________________
Recall the foundational significance of 3 & 9 in the proof
_________________
The Earth is the 3rd of 9 Planets.
The Resulting Numbers are 3 & 9.
9 is comprised of three 3s. 9 ≡ 3 3 3
The Triune God is The Creator of the Heavens & the Earth.
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THE WORD
The Bible is comprised of The Old Testament and The New Testament. The Old Testament is comprised of 39 books while The New Testament is comprised of 27 books.
The Old Testament : 39
The New Testament : 27
Derive the Digital Roots:
39 » 3 + 9 = 12 » 1 + 2 = 3
27 » 2 + 7 = 9
The Resulting Numbers are 3 & 9
9 is comprised of three 3s. 9 ≡ 3 3 3
⇛The Bible is a historical book written by Man under the inspiration of God.
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THE FIRST & THE LAST [Revelation 22:13]
Man was designed to use the Base 10 Numeral System.
[![10 fingers]]
Consisting of 10 digits:
0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9
1 is The First or The Beginning Number and The Triune Number 9 is The Highest or The Last.
1---2 3 4 5 6 7 8---9 [3 3 3]
⇛God is The First and He is The Last.
⇛He is The Beginning and He is The End.
⇛He is One and He is a Trinity.
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Abductive reasoning asks: What best explains the evidence?
The evidence here is:
Crucifixion at 3rd, 6th, 9th hours (Gospel unanimity).
These hours form a perfect cross on any 12-interval dial.
These numbers follow the 3-6-9 digital root cycle.
This cycle mirrors the Christian doctrine of the Trinity.
Competing hypotheses were implicitly weighed:
H1 (Design): A divine mind encoded theological truth in historical and mathematical patterns.
H2 (Chance): The alignment is coincidental.
H1 is favored because:
It offers a unifying explanation.
It aligns with the specificity of the data (3-6-9, not 2-5-8).
It reflects historical and cultural context (Jewish liturgical hours).
This is not confirmation bias—it is inference to the best explanation.
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Although there are several segments to this proof, the task should be to explain why this particular alignment between Mathematics, Theology and Time exists at all.
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Can I include one of your Rapture discussions in a book I am writing, if I give credit to whom credit is due?
I will give proper citation. Thanks!
I will give proper citation.
Thanks!
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Where might the Jews have reasonably crossed the Red Sea?
In [the narrative in which Moses parts the Red Sea](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parting_of_the_Red_Sea), the Jews are fleeing the pursuing Egyptians, and are also able to successfully traverse the bottom of the sea. In [popular depictions](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parting_of_the_Red_Sea),...
In [the narrative in which Moses parts the Red Sea](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parting_of_the_Red_Sea) , the Jews are fleeing the pursuing Egyptians, and are also able to successfully traverse the bottom of the sea. In [popular depictions](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parting_of_the_Red_Sea) , the bottom of the sea is flat and sandy. However, modern bathymetric data shows that the floor of the Red Sea is [actually quite rugged](https://www.researchgate.net/publication/351081054/figure/fig5/AS:1015991567925248@1619242674066/Vertical-gravity-gradient-seismicity-and-bathymetry-of-the-Red-Sea-Rift-a-The-vertical_Q640.jpg) . Indeed, many areas in the Red Sea are famed as diving areas due to the rocky terrain which supports various [Cnidarians](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnidaria) likely further limiting the availability of passable routes.
Given these constraints, have modern Abrahamic historians done any research into routes across the Red Sea that might have been possible/likely?
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How do the SDA understand 'Christ's ministry in the heavenly sanctuary' based on Daniel 8:14?
According to fundamental Belief 24: (Christ’s ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary) the SDA believe that Christ began his investigative judgement in 1844.This they refer to as the end of 2300 days of Daniel's prophecy. Daniel 8:14 NASB >14 And he said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the...
According to fundamental Belief 24: (Christ’s ministry in the Heavenly Sanctuary) the SDA believe that Christ began his investigative judgement in 1844.This they refer to as the end of 2300 days of Daniel's prophecy.
Daniel 8:14 NASB
>14 And he said to me, “For 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be [q]properly restored.”
In the prophecy Daniel refers to the restoration of the sanctuary which the SDA clear identify as the heavenly sanctuary.But its not clear in Daniel's prophecy which one he was referring to.Should the text be understood from a literal or non literal sense.
How can one understand this interpretation of Christ ministry in the heavenly sanctuary?
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The motivations of Satan
One aspect of Christian theology that has long puzzled me concerns the internal logic of those sects and denominations – Catholic, Protestant and Eastern Orthodox alike – that affirm belief in a literal Lucifer. In discussions with adherents from various denominations, I have encountered a range of...
One aspect of Christian theology that has long puzzled me concerns the internal logic of those sects and denominations – Catholic, Protestant and Eastern Orthodox alike – that affirm belief in a literal Lucifer. In discussions with adherents from various denominations, I have encountered a range of explanations for Satan’s motivations. However, these explanations tend to converge on a common theme: that Satan, consumed by envy and hatred toward both God and humanity, seeks to inflict as much destruction and suffering as possible.
Yet this account raises certain difficulties. The portrayal of Satan as an embodiment of unrestrained malice seems to mirror the archetypal villains of literature and popular culture. Figures whose motivations are often exaggerated or simplistic, such as the spiteful fairy or the vengeful antagonist whose actions are driven by little more than resentment or jealousy. The evil, but just misunderstood and socially outcast, witch. The evil antihero in Pocahontas that just wants to annihilate the native tribe for no good reason, only based on incredibly superficial, shallow and hateful grounds. To me, it appears somewhat incongruous that a being described as possessing superhuman intelligence and insight would act with such emotional impulsivity and self-destructiveness.
From a logical standpoint one might expect such a being to recognize the futility of opposing an omnipotent deity and to comprehend that rebellion against ultimate goodness is contrary to its own self-interest. The paradox, then, lies in the idea that Satan, though vastly more intelligent than any human being, acts with less rational foresight than the average person. If Satan is fully aware that his defiance will culminate in his own ruin, his continued opposition to God appears irrational, even absurd.
Is Satan like those cartoon characters?
Maybe *that is* the answer. Maybe Satan is just so blinded with hatred, for no apparent good reason, that he just cannot stop hating human beings and God’s creation. Maybe Satan is like one of those evil caricature in children’s movies, that just wants to destroy everything no matter the cost. Maybe he just cannot reason about his own self-interests.
Maybe Satan is a *theological* caricature, a personification of evil in its most absolute and irrational form. Maybe Satan is a caricature of those characters. Or maybe both are a caricature of what we humans identify as the corrupt, destructive, hateful, malevolent and vicious forces of the world – they both take the evils to their respective extremes.
To provide some personal context, I approach this question as an atheist and former believer. I lost my faith at the age of sixteen, and since then I have sought to understand Christianity as an intellectual and cultural system rather than as a lived faith. One aspect I found particularly burdensome within my former belief was the tendency of some Christians to use an interpretive framework that cast all events and moral choices as elements within a vast cosmic, constantly raging, struggle between good and evil. While this worldview can offer moral clarity and a sense of taking moral stances, seeing oneself as a “soldier of God” in a colossal war, it can also be profoundly exhausting. It is a mode of understanding existence that definitively do not miss.
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Why Did St. Irenaeus say the Church was Founded and Organized in Rome by Peter and Paul?
In c. A.D. 189, St. Irenaeus wrote: > Since, however, it would be very tedious . . . to reckon up the successions of all the churches, we put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vanity, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized me...
In c. A.D. 189, St. Irenaeus wrote:
> Since, however, it would be very tedious . . . to reckon up the successions of all the churches, we put to confusion all those who, in whatever manner, whether by an evil self-pleasing, by vanity, or by blindness and perverse opinion, assemble in unauthorized meetings, by indicating that Tradition derived from the apostles, of the very great, the very ancient, and **universally known Church founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul**; also [by pointing out] the faith preached to men, which comes down to our time by means of the successions of the bishops. For it is a matter of necessity that every church agree with this Church, on account of its preeminent authority, that is, the faithful everywhere, because the apostolic Tradition has been preserved continuously by those [faithful men] who exist everywhere [*Against Heresies* 3:3:2]
Why did St. Irenaeus say the Church was founded and organized in Rome by Peter and Paul? I'd understand if he was speaking of the lowercase 'c' church in Rome, but he spoke of "the very great, the very ancient, and universally known Church," so—correct me if I'm wrong—he was speaking of the entire Church rather than the singular church in Rome.
So what does he mean exactly?
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What is meant by "begotten" in "Jesus was begotten before the worlds"?
The [Athanasian Creed](https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02033b.htm), printed in copies of the 1662 Anglican Book of Common Prayer, declares that our Lord Jesus Christ is >"God, of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the substance of his Mother, born in the world. Per...
The [Athanasian Creed](https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02033b.htm) , printed in copies of the 1662 Anglican Book of Common Prayer, declares that our Lord Jesus Christ is
>"God, of the Substance of the Father, begotten before the worlds; and Man, of the substance of his Mother, born in the world. Perfect God and Perfect Man; of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting."
What is meant by "begotten" in this quotation?
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Who leads people into temptation according to Protestants?
### Introduction In the Hebrew Bible in Deuteronomy 30:15, God says that He is who sets the choice between good and evil before people: > See, I have set before you this day life and good, death and evil. In the Lords Prayer in Matthew 6, God is asked to not lead people into temptation: > Our Father...
### Introduction
In the Hebrew Bible in Deuteronomy 30:15, God says that He is who sets the choice between good and evil before people:
> See, I have set before you this day life and good, death and evil.
In the Lords Prayer in Matthew 6, God is asked to not lead people into temptation:
> Our Father who art in heaven,
> Hallowed be thy name.
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> **And lead us not into temptation**,
> But deliver us from evil.
There seems to be many possible answers from the Christian bible: Satan, mankind's own fallen nature, or even Jesus himself.
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In Protestant theology, who or what tempts people into sin?
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Is the death penalty for sins of lust a proportionate punishment?
In the New Law, is the death penalty for sodomy (or other sins of lust, like fornication or adultery) a proportionate punishment? In other words, do Catholic theologians say legislators are morally permitted to write a law requiring the death penalty for homosexual or other acts of lust? Under the O...
In the New Law, is the death penalty for sodomy (or other sins of lust, like fornication or adultery) a proportionate punishment? In other words, do Catholic theologians say legislators are morally permitted to write a law requiring the death penalty for homosexual or other acts of lust?
Under the Old Law, Lev 20:13 did proscribe sodomy with capital punishment.
cf. this post to the CathInfo thread "What Trump policies show he is pro-abortion or pro-sodomy? "
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Will the people, who end up in heaven, gain additional glory for each soul that profits from their writings?
Will the people, who end up in heaven, gain additional glory for each soul that profits from their writings? For example, St. Augustine wrote many good books. Now he is in heaven. To this very day, people read his books and have spiritual benefits. Does St. Augustine receive additional beatitude in...
Will the people, who end up in heaven, gain additional glory for each soul that profits from their writings?
For example, St. Augustine wrote many good books. Now he is in heaven. To this very day, people read his books and have spiritual benefits. Does St. Augustine receive additional beatitude in heaven for each soul that profits from his books? I want a Catholic answer.
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