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Are there any Protestant Founders, theologians, or biblical scholars outside of Catholic Church that say Mary saw the face of God before annunciation?
> **“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."** - Matthew5:8 **IMPORTANT NOTE:** We cannot add nor subtract any word from the bible. When Jesus said this beatitude, He said this promised to all the living not dead nor this promise can only be gain after death. Jesus did not said, *"Ble...
> **“Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God."** - Matthew5:8
**IMPORTANT NOTE:**
We cannot add nor subtract any word from the bible.
When Jesus said this beatitude, He said this promised to all the living not dead nor this promise can only be gain after death.
Jesus did not said, *"Blessed are the pure of heart, for they will see God,* ***after death***."
Archangel Gabriel have faculties to see the state of soul of every human being.
Archangel Gabriel saw the majestic soul of Mary, and proclaimed that it was *"full of grace"*.
Mary was seen having the most pure heart.
> [**Mary: Woman of Most Pure Heart**](https://carmelite.org/spirituality/mary-woman-most-pure-heart/)
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> As well as regarding Our Lady, the Blessed Virgin Mary, as patron of our Order, we Carmelites revere her under a number of special titles such as ‘Beauty of Carmel’, ‘Sister’, and ‘Woman of Most Pure Heart’.
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> Purity of Heart (Puritas Cordis in Latin) is an important concept in Carmelite spirituality, and Mary is seen as its greatest exemplar and embodiment. For this reason medieval Carmelites were among the most fervent promoters of the doctrine of Mary’s ‘Immaculate Conception’, which was not formally proclaimed a dogma of the Catholic Church until 1854.
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> Carmelites have always sought to imitate Mary in her purity of heart. The medieval Carmelite writer Felip Ribot said that the goal of the Carmelite life is to offer to God a holy heart purified from all stain of sin. The purpose of this is to achieve, by God’s grace, union with God. Mary, the Most Pure Virgin, is seen as the perfect model of one who was totally available for union with God.
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> To explain the significance of purity from a Carmelite perspective, the Irish theologian Chris O’Donnell, O.Carm., uses the image of a milk jug. The purpose of a milk jug is to dispense milk. In order to do so properly, it must be clean; if the milk jug is dirty, then the milk will become infected. However, there is no point in the milk jug being clean simply for the sake of it; if the purpose of a milk jug is to dispense milk, then it can be as clean as you like but if it’s empty then it isn’t useful. This is an analogy of the human heart. Its purpose is to pour out love for others. If our hearts are impure, then what we ‘pour our’ to others will be infected. But there is no point is having a pure heart simply to leave it empty; the point of purity is not an end in itself but a means to be useful for others.
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> This is what Carmelites mean by purity: having a heart undivided for God, free from our own motives and desires so that God’s will be done in us. Today’s society often associates ‘purity’ with puerile notions of sex. Carmel teaches us that purity is more a matter of the heart than the rest of the body.
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> *Maria Purissima*, Mary Most Pure, is the great example of purity, in that her heart is totally given over to God and pours out love towards those around her.
**Looking for Protestant Founders like Luther,Calvin, Zwingli, etc. also theologians and biblical scholars outside of Catholic Church, before reformation and early reformation era, who look upon the Blessed Virgin Mary as having a pure heart**."
A citation from Protestant Founders and Theologians in harmony with Early Church and Church Fathers would be a perfect answer.
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Mary is a sinner? Looking for significant passages with exegesis, to support the Bible Alone Believers claimed
**IMPORTANT NOTE:** The OP is not looking to justify the Immaculate Conception of Mary, rather, the OP is looking for passages, significant bible passages that explicitly prove that "Mary is a sinner", meaning Mary had committed sins. This is in no way a duplicate question as commented. If Luther, Z...
**IMPORTANT NOTE:**
The OP is not looking to justify the Immaculate Conception of Mary, rather, the OP is looking for passages, significant bible passages that explicitly prove that "Mary is a sinner", meaning Mary had committed sins. This is in no way a duplicate question as commented.
If Luther, Zwingli and Calvin who uphold the dignity of the Blessed Virgin Mary were still alive, during the proclamation of the Dogma of Immaculate Conception, I'm pretty sure, the three of them will also embraced this Truth even the Assumption of Mary into Heaven, like what they did to the Dogma of Theotokos and Perpetual Virginity.
Sad to say, the Modern Day Protestant and the Bible Alone Believers that I normally encounter in the social media, are simply drinking the shallow arguments, citing this two shallow passages.
>"All have sinned." - Romans 3:23
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> "“None is righteous, no, not one;
11 no one understands;
no one seeks for God.
12 All have turned aside; together they have become worthless;
no one does good,
not even one.” - Romans 3:10-12
In CSE, I've seen a lot of good exegesis, but when it comes to this two passages, they seem to become an elementary student or even a kindergarten in giving a thorough exegesis on this particular verse.
Romans 3:10-12 can easily be refuted by God Himself in Job 1:1
>There was a man in the land of Uz whose name was Job. And this man was blameless and upright, fearing God and shunning evil. -Job 1:1
The "All have sinned", can easily be debunk by the Doctrine of Original Sin, as the word "sinned" here pointed to "actual sin", on which no Protestant, Modern Day Protestant and all Bible Alone Believers can justify against the Blessed Virgin Mary.
Proof?
Lets simply ask them a direct question.
*What is the nature of sin committed by Mary and when?
Please cite bible passages, and you wil see that none of them can cite a single verse, and they will simple go back to Romans 3:23 and Romans 3:10-12.*
**In view of the above, I am looking for any wise Protestant and Bible Alone Believers here in CSE to cite significant verses aside from Romans 3:23 and Romans 3:1-12, to support their stance that Mary is a sinner.**
Of course, I forgot the Magnificat...
>My spirit rejoices in God my savior.."
Careful to cite this passage, as Mary claimed to be saved already in this particular passage even before Jesus offered His life on the Cross.
So, in this particular passage, the Savior of Mary is God the Father and not Jesus per se, and God the Father is outside of time, and can apply the merit of Christ in whatever ways He deemed appropriate according to His Divine Plan.
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According to Roman Catholic doctrine, why does Mary refer to God as her Savior if she was born without sin?
In the Magnificat, Mary refers to God as *her* Savior. According to Roman Catholic doctrine, Mary was born sinless and remained sinless throughout her life. So, why does Mary refer to God as **her Savior** if she was sinless (and therefore would not have need of a Savior or even have one). > And Mar...
In the Magnificat, Mary refers to God as *her* Savior. According to Roman Catholic doctrine, Mary was born sinless and remained sinless throughout her life.
So, why does Mary refer to God as **her Savior** if she was sinless (and therefore would not have need of a Savior or even have one).
> And Mary said:
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> “My soul exalts the Lord, And my spirit has rejoiced in **God my
> Savior**. For He has had regard for the humble state of His
> bondslave; for behold, from this time on all generations will count me
> blessed. For the Mighty One has done great things for me; and holy
> is His name. And His mercy is upon generation after generation Toward
> those who fear Him. He has done mighty deeds with His arm; He has
> scattered those who were proud in the thoughts of their heart. He
> has brought down rulers from their thrones, And has exalted those who
> were humble. He has filled the hungry with good things; And sent away
> the rich empty-handed. He has given help to Israel His servant, In
> remembrance of His mercy, As He spoke to our fathers, To Abraham and
> his descendants forever.” (Luke 1:46-55)
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Since Jesus is Mary's savior, what did he save her from?
If Mary was born without original sin and remained sinless, even so Jesus was her savior, for she said, > “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my > Savior..." (Luke 1:46-47) What do Catholics claim that Mary needed to be saved from? I imagine natural disasters, murderers, and Sa...
If Mary was born without original sin and remained sinless, even so Jesus was her savior, for she said,
> “My soul glorifies the Lord and my spirit rejoices in God my
> Savior..." (Luke 1:46-47)
What do Catholics claim that Mary needed to be saved from? I imagine natural disasters, murderers, and Satan might be in the list, plus the grief of seeing her son executed. What does the church teach?
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Is there any tradition that informs us of how old Mary was when she gave birth to Jesus?
I have heard that the legal age of marriage was quite young in Jewish culture at the time of Christ. I believe young girls at the age of twelve could marry. However, I find it difficult to imagine Mary as young as thirteen years years old around the time of her giving birth, because of the maturity...
I have heard that the legal age of marriage was quite young in Jewish culture at the time of Christ. I believe young girls at the age of twelve could marry. However, I find it difficult to imagine Mary as young as thirteen years years old around the time of her giving birth, because of the maturity of her words that are found in the gospels.
Is there any tradition that would place a more realistic age of Mary? Or is this just completely unknown even when guessing?
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Mary is a sinner, how? When did She most probably committed actual and personal sin, and what is the nature of sin?
**NOTE :** This question is aimed at narrowing down the probability, when did Mary committed an actual and personal sin, and what is the most likely nature of sin that She would commit? Protestant and Bible Alone Believers do not accept the Dogma on Immaculate Conception for lack of biblical support...
**NOTE :** This question is aimed at narrowing down the probability, when did Mary committed an actual and personal sin, and what is the most likely nature of sin that She would commit?
Protestant and Bible Alone Believers do not accept the Dogma on Immaculate Conception for lack of biblical support, so its only fair for Catholics, that we also, cannot accept the accusation that Mary is a sinner, for the same reason that it also lacking in biblical support.
And so, its now the Protestant and Bible Alone Believers turn to prove their accusation and judgement that Mary is a sinner, by providing us biblical proof?
Sin of pride, lust, envy, gluttony, sloth, etc.
What is the most probable nature of sin that a lowly handmaid, a human being with profound humility, who is daily praying and embracing the Will of the Father, can fall into?
Let's check on Mary's age.
At age 1 to 3, is the age of innocence, therefore, Mary cannot commit sin here at this age.
At age 3 to 13, Mary had spent her life in the Temple as a servant of God. Most likely, Satan cannot offer any of his temptations as he did to Jesus as money, fame and power will not entice the young Mary of this non-sense.
https://www.mdrevelation.org/the-presentation-of-mary-in-the-temple/
At age 13, Angel Gabriel having faculties to see the soul of human being, saw Mary's soul as "full of grace", and telling us that in Mary's soul, the Lord presence can be seen. -Dominus tecum.
Before conception, during conception and after giving birth it is unlikely that Mary can commit sin, as She was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit.
And so, for all the Bible Alone Believers and wizards here at CSE, we only have one choices left.
Mary is possible to commit sin, after giving birth to Jesus Christ.
But what is the nature of sin, that a person who is docile to the voice of God, and had shown holiness and righteousness in her life,so, the simple and direct question is...
What is the nature of sin that Mary would fall into after giving birth to Jesus Christ?
**Can anyone tell us according to the bible, what is the nature of sin that Mary had fallen into, after giving birth to Jesus Christ?**
Catholic, Protestant and Christian can answer this question, using only bible as the source and nothing else.
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Did the Blessed Virgin Mary plays an important role at the Upper Room?
In the Book of Acts chapter 1, the name of Mary is only mention in one verse. >All these devoted themselves with one accord to prayer, together with some women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.-Acts1:14 Is there any Early Church Fathers, Church Fathers, Theologians, Saints or Catholic...
In the Book of Acts chapter 1, the name of Mary is only mention in one verse.
>All these devoted themselves with one accord to prayer, together with some women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers.-Acts1:14
Is there any Early Church Fathers, Church Fathers, Theologians, Saints or Catholic Church teachings describing the role of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the Upper Room?
We know that the Catholic Church proclaimed Mary as the "Mother of the Church".
Mary plays an important role in giving birth to Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church.
The Church is the Body of Christ.
It follows that, if Mary gave birth to the Head of the Church, and to become the Mother of the Church, She must also give birth to the Church, the Body of Christ.
We can also see, that in Mary's presence, in Her visitation to Elizabeth, at Her "greetings", John leaped and Elizabeth were filled with the Holy Spirit.
**Is there any Catholic Church writings or doctrines describing the important role of the Blessed Virgin Mary at the Upper Room?**
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Why do Protestants not refer to Mary by the title "Mother of God"?
I have heard the title "Mother of God" in connection with the "Hail Mary" prayer that(Ave Maria) is recited by Catholics. However, I have never heard this term used in any Protestant setting. (From the comment by Bobo, we find that the Orthodox also refer to Mary in this way; *Theotokos* in Greek li...
I have heard the title "Mother of God" in connection with the "Hail Mary" prayer that(Ave Maria) is recited by Catholics.
However, I have never heard this term used in any Protestant setting. (From the comment by Bobo, we find that the Orthodox also refer to Mary in this way; *Theotokos* in Greek literally means "Birth-giver of God", as well as *Bohoroditza* in Russian. Both of these terms are widely used in their respective Orthodox groups).
Why, then, do Protestants not use this title that appears to be so common in Catholicism?
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When, how and why did Mary start to be called "Queen of heaven"?
I have four closely related questions on this topic (if overall this is considered too broad, I'm happy to receive advice as to which questions—if any—would be better off in a separate post): 1. What is the earliest documented use of the term "Queen of Heaven" being applied to Mary, the mother of Je...
I have four closely related questions on this topic (if overall this is considered too broad, I'm happy to receive advice as to which questions—if any—would be better off in a separate post):
1. What is the earliest documented use of the term "Queen of Heaven" being applied to Mary, the mother of Jesus? (cf. Wikipedia on *the Virgin Mary as Queen of Heaven* - there seems to be a contradiction between the first and second paragraphs in this section ).
2. Given that the only Biblical references to this title are regarding a false goddess being worshipped in the nation of Judah during Jeremiah's time (cf. Wikipedia's *Queen of heaven (antiquity)* ), is there evidence of any discussion or dissent (over whether such a title was in any way appropriate) in evidence in the wider church when this title was being adopted and disseminated (prior to the Reformation)?
3. Are there any arguments from Church Fathers or other historical records of why such a title would have been adopted in the first place?
4. It seems on the surface (at least to some) that this might be an example of Syncretism , but perhaps there are convincing arguments that can exclude that possibility - if so what would be the outline of such arguments? Or otherwise, what additional evidence (ie not covered in 2. or 3.) would support the idea that this *is* an example of Syncretism?
**Please note**: I'm looking for answers that are supported by quotes from Church fathers and Church historians, not doctrinal expositions from denominational perspectives. I'm only looking for a very brief outline of an argument (one way or the other) to question 4 (one or two paragraphs maximum) - if there are the seeds of a worthwhile further question to be developed from such responses, I will ask a separate question to elicit a more detailed answer."
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Lk. 2:35: How does a sword piercing Mary's heart cause thoughts to be revealed out of others' hearts?
[Lk. 2:35][1] (Douay-Rheims, 1899): > And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed How does a sword piercing Mary's heart cause thoughts to be revealed out of others' hearts? cf. Hermeneutics StackExchange question: "[In Luke 2:35 what is meant by 'so tha...
Lk. 2:35 (Douay-Rheims, 1899):
> And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed
How does a sword piercing Mary's heart cause thoughts to be revealed out of others' hearts?
cf. Hermeneutics StackExchange question: "In Luke 2:35 what is meant by 'so that thoughts from many hearts may be revealed'? "
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Have any Christian theologians discussed whether Jesus resembled Joseph?
Mainstream Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God the Father and Mary, a virgin. So my question is, have any Christian theologians discussed whether Jesus only resemble his mother Mary, or whether he also resembled his adopted father Joseph? God could easily have arranged it so that Jesus...
Mainstream Christians believe that Jesus was the son of God the Father and Mary, a virgin. So my question is, have any Christian theologians discussed whether Jesus only resemble his mother Mary, or whether he also resembled his adopted father Joseph?
God could easily have arranged it so that Jesus resembled Joseph, even if Joseph played no role in the conception of Jesus.
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Do any non-Catholic denominations attach any special significance to Luke 2:35, "a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also"?
**Luke 2:34–35**: > (KJV) ** 34** And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; > ** 35** (Yea, **a sword shall pierce through thy own soul** also,) that the thoughts of...
**Luke 2:34–35**:
> (KJV) **34**And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
> **35**(Yea, **a sword shall pierce through thy own soul** also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
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> (NLT) **34**Then Simeon blessed them, and he said to Mary, the baby’s mother, “This child is destined to cause many in Israel to fall, but he will be a joy to many others. He has been sent as a sign from God, but many will oppose him.
> **35**As a result, the deepest thoughts of many hearts will be revealed. And **a sword will pierce your very soul**.”
Do any *non-Catholic* denominations (i.e. those that don't venerate Mary) attach any special significance to Luke 2:35, "a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also"?
(Other than of course the trivial obvious fact of having to watch one's son's being tortured and executed.)
(Other than of course the trivial obvious fact of having to watch one's son's being tortured and executed.)
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Is there a feast celibrating Mary's perpetual virginity?
Is there a feast in the Universal Calendar of the Catholic Church celebrating Mary's perpetual virginity?
Is there a feast in the Universal Calendar of the Catholic Church celebrating Mary's perpetual virginity?
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According to the Catholic Church, was Mary's Magnificat a spontaneous utterance?
At Luke 1: 46-55 we see Blessed Virgin Mary singing a song of praise, now known as the Magnificat, while greeting her cousin Elizabeth. I wish to know if the song of Mary was a spontaneous utterance, or was it an integration of prayers from the old Jewish scripts and the Psalms ? What do the teachin...
At Luke 1: 46-55 we see Blessed Virgin Mary singing a song of praise, now known as the Magnificat, while greeting her cousin Elizabeth. I wish to know if the song of Mary was a spontaneous utterance, or was it an integration of prayers from the old Jewish scripts and the Psalms ? What do the teachings of Catholic Church say on the source(s) of the Magnificat ?
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Did Mary have the assistance of a midwife on the birth of Jesus?
> And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. - Mark 2:7 Swaddling clothes are narrow strips of cloth wrapped around an infant to restrict movement, and also to give it a snug feeling. Usually...
> And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. - Mark 2:7
Swaddling clothes are narrow strips of cloth wrapped around an infant to restrict movement, and also to give it a snug feeling. Usually , the work of cleaning the new-born baby and clothing it , is done by the mid-wife , who could either be hired (Gen 35:17; Gen 38:28; Ex 1:16 ) , or be a close female relative of the expectant mother . Mary is traditionally believed to have been a teenager when Jesus was born to her.
Notwithstanding the fact the Joseph and Mary were travelling, they could have taken along a close lady relative to take charge when the time would arrive. My question therefore is: Did Mary have the assistance of a midwife at the time of Jesus' birth? What do the traditions of Catholic Church say about it?
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How did St. Jerome defend the Blessed Virgin's virginity 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘵 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘵𝘶𝘮 in light of Matt. 1:25?
How did St. Jerome defend the Blessed Virgin's virginity *post partum* in light of [Matt. 1:25][1], which says St. Joseph "knew her not **till** she brought forth her firstborn son"? [1]: http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/d?b=drl&bk=47&ch=1&l=25-#x
How did St. Jerome defend the Blessed Virgin's virginity *post partum* in light of Matt. 1:25 , which says St. Joseph "knew her not **till** she brought forth her firstborn son"?
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Why do Evangelical Protestants reject the Catholic approach to venerating Mary?
When Elizabeth greeted Mary - >42 ...she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?..." - [Luke 1:42-43 (RSVCE)][1] Why don't Evangelical Protestants treat Mary with at l...
When Elizabeth greeted Mary -
>42 ...she exclaimed with a loud cry, "Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43 And why is this granted me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?..." - Luke 1:42-43 (RSVCE)
Why don't Evangelical Protestants treat Mary with at least this much reverence?
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Definability of "Mediatrix": Is the Blessed Virgin's universal mediation of all graces definable as dogma?
Is the Blessed Virgin's universal mediation of all graces [definable][1] as dogma? Can she be called "Mediatrix of All Graces"? [1]: https://christianity.stackexchange.com/a/68503/1787
Is the Blessed Virgin's universal mediation of all graces definable as dogma? Can she be called "Mediatrix of All Graces"?
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Is "Co-Redemptrix" definable dogma?
Is the Blessed Virgin's title of "Co-Redemptrix" [definable][1] as dogma? Can she be called a co-redeemer with Christ? [1]: https://christianity.stackexchange.com/a/68503/1787
Is the Blessed Virgin's title of "Co-Redemptrix" definable as dogma? Can she be called a co-redeemer with Christ?
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What exactly does the Catholic Church mean by the "Virginity" of Mary?
Possible ways to understand "***virginity***" : - Some people may define it as no sexual event whatsoever. - Some may define as not having intercourse with a male. - Some may define it as not participating in any intimate acts with a male. - Some may define it as an intact hymen. I have a problem wi...
Possible ways to understand "***virginity***" :
- Some people may define it as no sexual event whatsoever.
- Some may define as not having intercourse with a male.
- Some may define it as not participating in any intimate acts with a male.
- Some may define it as an intact hymen.
I have a problem with the last one, since a lot of girls are not born with a hymen, or the hymen can be damaged in sports activities.
I can't see a logical reason to think that the Blessed mother was definitely born with one or didn't damage it with non sexual physical activity.
**So, what exactly does the Catholic Church mean by the "Virginity" of Mary?**
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