I read the following on the internet: > I came from a Christianity ethical background so i originally thought > sexual desire and masturbation was bad, but in reality all that is > "bad" is the desire itself, which could be desire for sex, or desire > for chocolate cake. It is the same thing "kama-tanha" As for alcohol, > same thing, kama-tanha. Though I want to point out the story of > sarakani SN55.24 explaining that even what is seen to most buddhists > as a true downfall, alcohol. It itself is not inherently bad/evil etc. > Kama-tanha is the problem, not the pleasure we can experience from > sex, booze or chocolate cake! Can sensual pleasure be divorced from craving? What do the Pali Suttas say about this?