Did the Buddha teach the four noble truths to laypeople?
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Sometimes I see comments like, "the Buddha never taught the four noble truths to laypeople".
- Is that so?
- If so, why didn't he?
- Aren't the 4NT the best, most succinct and most helpful, part of the Dhamma?
- Isn't that difficult to reconcile with the teacher's not having a "closed fist"?
I know that the first sutta was only to the five wanderers (who were not house-holders); but doesn't the [Kalama sutta](https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an03/an03.065.than.html) , for example, warn against greed -- and the precepts, and suffering, all in one sentence?
> And this greedy person, overcome by greed, his mind possessed by greed, kills living beings, takes what is not given, goes after another person's wife, tells lies, and induces others to do likewise, all of which is for long-term harm & suffering.
Isn't that the first two or three noble truths right there?
So if someone says that he didn't teach the 4NT, are they (more specifically) saying that he didn't teach the noble eightfold path?
But the noble eightfold path is a.k.a. the three trainings. And he definitely taught virtue, so ... is it saying that he didn't teach wisdom nor concentration? So is it saying, and is true, that he didn't teach e.g. meditation to laypeople?
[Can lay people be enlightened](https://dhammawiki.com/index.php/Lay_arahant) at all -- if so, how without the 4NT?
And is it true to say that the 4NT are certainly taught to laypeople now? Even to children? I'm surprised to find that they're not mentioned in the introduction to the Jataka Tales ([here](http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bits/bits009.htm) and [here](http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/bits/bits010.htm)) , though it does summarise Dependent Origination. I don't remember such a book in detail but I imagined that the 4NT would be included in any kind of popular introductory book, such as one that mentions [the four sights](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_sights) .
[This answer](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/1492/254) says that the 4NT is part of the doctrine shared by all schools of Buddhism. Is it true to assume that every Buddhist in every country (including lay people) knows what the 4NT are?
Asked by ChrisW
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Oct 7, 2018, 04:29 PM
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