Discussion with Chih-Tao in the Platform Sutra

> ... does not have the appearance of origination and does not have the appearance of cessation, much less the cessation of origination and cessation. Thus, nirvana is right here. But although it is right here, there is no > concept of it being right here, which is why it is called everlasting > bliss. This bliss is not experienced by anyone, nor is it not > experienced by anyone. So how could anyone say there is one body much > less... > > ordinary fools call it death > > other sects claim it's the end > > those who follow the Hinayana > > think of it as non action.... From Red Pine's translation page 283. Are ordinary fools right to call "Maha Nirvana" death: is that an aspect of it?